Jan 30
GERP!!!
Here’s the big catch. Pharmaceutical companies probably won’t invest in research into DCA because they won’t profit from it. It’s easy to make, unpatented and could be added to drinking water. Imagine, Gatorade with cancer control.
If this has truth to it, I am pissed. But its also a little to conspiracy theory for my regular taste. Thoughts?
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http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/01/in_which_my_words_will_be_misinterpreted.php
Moonwalker beat me too it.
Add a digg it Scott, it may or may not be a serious or maybe it does not work at all but im sending the link to reuters because i think this has to have a chance.
Okay, I’m a chemist and I wish the article had looked at the MSDS (Material Safety and Data Sheet) for this chemical. This chemical is rated as a severe health rating and an extreme corrosive rating. So, to just cite this as something that should work isn’t safe. And, if they aren’t receiving funding, it may not be sound to the funding places. The wiki article on dichloroacetate states the article in Cancer Cell (ref 9).
And everyday chemicals are found to treat cancer, just most can’t be incorporated into the human body.
It is makes MORE money to “treat” a disease then EVER “cure” it. This is why make things that should be a curable thing in this day and age are simply NOT.
I’m betting people who believe in this “hiding a cure for cancer” crap also believe in the “300 mpg engine”
I was treated some 20 years ago for Hodgkin’s Disease (I’ll be 41 later this year). I have watched these stories come and go for that entire time with a mix of skepticism and hope for that “magic bullet”. I was treated with the protocol MOPP-ABVD which has been shown to cause leukemia at later stages in the patient’s life – long after primary disease remission. To address TheGremlin: nitrogen mustard is one component of that protocol. It is a derivative of the same chemicals used in gas warfare in World War I. There is no such thing as a man-made “everyday chemical”. Chemotherapy is a destructive process anyway you look at it – chemicals are forced into the body that would not normally be there killing both cancerous and healthy cells, irreparably changing our bodies. I am thankful to have survived this long, but everyday I deal with the effects of that chemo. My former employer had a client who is a large pharmaceutical producer with whom I worked closely. I can assure you they were an intensely competitive organization with lavish offices and amazing employee perks. I’m not a fanatic I assure you, but NeuroMan42 is closer to the mark I think. It is a public record that tobacco companies intentionally destroyed peoples lives (and continue to do so!) for decades with government protection for the sake of big profits. For-profit corporations will rarely do anything for the sake of the public welfare. They answer to only one higher power – share holders. I believe that someday soon pharmaceutical companies will end up paying the piper as well. Any treatment deemed less invasive must be thoroughly investigated. I have two young sons . . . it may well be that the chemicals that allowed me to see their coming in to this world will allow them to see my premature exit. Sorry to be so grim on the blog Scott – I am a happy, thankful person, believe me – but these are realities cancer survivors face everyday.
It’s all true! Pharmaceutical companies do NOT want to cure people… think about it! If your market was ’sick-people’ why would you turn them into non sick people? You would destroy your clientship.
There are known cures for cancer, AIDS and even a way to clean up a drug addict’s body.
But no one invests in erradicting cancer when Cemo makes more money!
And they make more money from antibiotics than directly killing HIV
And more money from Metadone for drug addicts than a direct cleanup.
They’re in it for the money. Also it would cost less to disinfect the small town in China from where 90% of all new sicknesses are born, but why bother? It’s a convenience for these companies!
The worse thing is that most doctors are sponsored by these companies, so doctors themselves are part of the whole sick (literally) scheme.
@MalteseGuy:
Bullcrap.
There could be money in it, to be more precise: a heluva lot of money. The thing is that dichloroacetate is not a “cure” for cancer. Read the article I posted and think about it, although I don’t think it will help you.
By the way:
- If your market was “living-people” why would you turn them into non-living-people?
- What does antibiotics have to do with HIV (or cancer for that matter)?
- Do you realize that there is no such thing as “direct cleanup” for drug addicts?
- Oh, and 90% of new sicknesses aren’t born in China. But I guess that’s topic for another “discussion”.
MalteseGuy: name them please.
Granted, my post was short. And I have the benefit that I’m still “just a grad student”, so the knowledge I’m accumulating is still rather non-biased. I don’t know of any magic cures for cancer, certain cancers react well with some cures (as I understand it, prostate cancer is completely curable if it remains only in the prostate and doesn’t spread, and it uses a nasty little chemical to cure), but not all cancers are curable as yet. I had initially gone to grad school to go into the pharmaceutical industry (although the chemistry I do is nothing to do with synthesis, I would just make sure that what they say are in a pill are actually there), but I had a realization that pharmaceutical companies are not for the greater good.
As for cures that exist, anyone has access to many search engines that will take you to Biology and Chemistry Journals. You may not have access to the actual journals because these stupid journals are just money-makers as well, but a lot have gone free. Search pubmed.com (which will redirect you) or scholar.google.com. Just doing a search of things like HIV shows great progress, and a lot of the focus has been on preventing spreading of it, so a sort of immunization, but not necessarily cures. And, I’ve read things (which may just be conspiracy type articles) that say that if you are rich, you can be cured of HIV/AIDS, because the cure costs so much.
And I think the most disturbing statement in the paper was the idea of integrating this chemical into drinking water to prevent cancer. I personally don’t want to be drinking chemicals that aren’t necessary. I already get my fair share of chlorine and fluorine.
I say this is Bullcrap I work for a cancer treatment center. A rather large one at that and there is alot of research done here and trust me the cancer treatment industry wants a cure and is doing every thing that can be done to find one.
I’m sorry, but everything I’m seeing is today is to medicate first and test later. 90% of the drugs placed onto the market today have dangerous (and often deadly) side effects that far surpass the symptoms many are prescribed to treat. That’s the nail in the coffin so to speak. The fact that they have atleast published the information regarding DCAs shortcomings speaks volumes. Much of the drug industry try to hide the problems with their drugs at every turn (often using the very courts that are here to protect us in that endeavor).
The drug industry (and never refer to it as anything else) has been medicating the world (those that can afford their inexcusable greed) for countless billions of dollars (probably more like trillions). Enough of their monetary records are a matter of PUBLIC record that you can see where the money really goes. If you think researching new drugs is expensive I can only ask you “Why then do they spend far more on advertising their pre-existing drugs than actually improving existing ones and creating new ones?”. Even these two facets combined are still but a MINISCULE percentage of the money taken in. The answer is self-evident, namely, the existing drugs “treat” but not “cure” a disease. They often CREATE new problems as a result of their use, these new problems are then solved with different drugs which create new problems to be treated with yet OTHER drugs.
So to answer Moonwalker’s “If your market was “living-people” why would you turn them into non-living-people?” question, the answer is they don’t die, they just turn into perpetually sick and medicated people. The Drug industry PREFERS invasive drugs and treatments BECAUSE it is a self-reinforcing cycle of problem and fix, this in turn means that once a person falls into the clutches of THEIR drugs they are unlikely to ever escape (short of death, which would have been the outcome regardless no? wherein the drug industry loses nothing). You need to stop thinking with your humanity when it comes to ANYTHING regarding money and greed, because humanity ceases to exist at the level of debauchery that has become so prevalent in multi-national corporations.
@MoonWalker
I invite you to use your head for yourself and stop believing something just because the masses believe it.
I’m a trader by profession and used to invest (and make loads of) money in these companies before I and others realised what was going on.
I’m talking about info that is being suppressed. I read your article but frankly I don’t give a damn about what tabloids say about dichloroacetate because I know about other stuff that works better.
YES, it’s a fact>>> All variations of the Influenza virus come from a known zone in China where bacteria are being exchanged from 1 farm animal to another. SARS came from there, The Chinese flu of the late 80s came from there, and another half a dozen minor nuance came from there too in the last 40 years. That may not be 90% of sickness I admit, but the fact remains that the zone could be cleaned up when instead it is left there! And it is left as it is for monetary reasons.
Fact 2: Antibiotics are used on AIDS patient to prolonge their life because they lack an immunity system. Go do some charity work in Kenya and you’ll know it!
Let me tell you what many ignore… there is a research centre in Italy that reseaches new drugs and cure independent of any Company… it is where breakthroughs occur in the field and also what Companies fear and fight with full force.
There… an Italian doctor nearly found (before it was stopped by force) a cure for all virus related diseases, it’s a new approach. It is a chemical combo that encapsulates and therefore disables the virus without destroying it. Traditional systems aim at destroying the virus molecule.
Her research has been disapproved because of pressure done by pharmaceutical companies.
Direct cleanup of chemicals from drug addicts have been done successfully in the 1990s (in Italy again) and it helped patients not to suffer from withdrawal symptoms… they still had to undergo psychological support.
Also many experimented cures for cancer are statistically proven to be effective… Statistics is the way every science measures the success of a system. Simple as it may seem, A complex derived from Vitamin C (believe it or not) is statistically proven to be a cancer killer better than Cemo, but it is a vitamin, and it cannot be patented, so no money there. Also In the US over 60% of cancer patients die because of the treatment not because of the illness itself.
Still in Italy, but this time independent from the institute I mentioned above. A doctor came up with a protocol to alternate between placebos and actual drugs. Again this info, together with cures for, cancer, aids and the like has been suppressed because some fat pockets suffer.
It’s not a conspiracy… It is Corporate Business done within legal limits. Whether it is in moral limits though… is another matter.
Okay, @MalteseGuy, I think your info would be more believeable if you cited sources, like academic journals and other reputable sources. Because, as that I’m in academia at the moment, I can’t even move my lips without stating where my info came from, and so I feel like in order to see your side of view, I would need to have the same information available.
And the flu has been around for so many years, I really doubt anyone knows exactly where it’s coming from, but how about something that was just presented at a recent seminar at my school: pretty much everything could be prevented if we had a better filtration system. We don’t have to burn towns in China because they have been infected, we just need to stop the infection from passing through airplanes and hospitals. (Citation: http://www.chem.buffalo.edu/garvey.php)
Antibiotics are used on HIV/AIDS patients because they don’t die from HIV, they die from common colds. HIV slowly removes vital T cells that fight infection, and once you reach a low enough concentration, you are defined as having AIDS. Antibiotics are in no way a cure or even a treatment of HIV, they are a treatment/cure for the bacterial infections. If an HIV-positive patient got a viral infection, they certainly wouldn’t be treated with an antibiotic, they’d be in serious trouble.
And this seems to be turning into a BigPharma conspiracy page because even though I’m sure we think that BigPharma is stopping good ideas before they get out (which I’m sure happens), we neglect that news is biased. Everyday research groups around the world are testing different chemicals against different problems. We don’t hear about the flops. And as the link in the first post says, so many chemicals show so much promise in a Petri dish, and then fail in humans.
And lastly, no one makes anyone else take cancer treatment drugs. You can resign yourself to death. But you certainly don’t have to spend thousands of dollars being treated. Just like HIV. Unless you are one of the unfortunate ones that had a blood transfusion before testing occurred, or you are the baby of a mother who was infected, HIV doesn’t just infect you. So you don’t have to pay for the treatments by the pharmaceutical companies when you have HIV. Every single person today could resolve to stop taking any medicines and all of the pharmaceutical companies would go under. We could go back to having a life expectancy of 40. But you have to outweigh the risks versus the benefits. If you want to fight cancer so you can see your grandchild grow up, you can fight it, and you may end up for the rest of your life pretty sick and on dozens of drugs (my grandmother takes over 20 different drugs each day), it’s your choice. The pharmaceutical companies are just like any other company, they need to make money to pay their workers, they need to make a profit to start on new research. But don’t try to take down BigPharma until you take down every other company that does the same thing.
Naturally every industry has a need to turn a profit, anyone would be a fool to debate that. The drug industry was given the position of researching and creating medications and treatments for illnesses to improve the quality of living and it is not unreasonable to live well for these valuable (indeed vital) services. There is however, a fine line between profit and abusing one’s position. It was crossed decades ago, and continues further and further beyond it with every passing day. Many, many doctors recieve intentionally misleading or incomplete information about drugs they are frequently strong-armed into prescribing. This has become so prevalent that an entire industry was formed to counter the barrage of bullshit faced by doctors almost on a daily basis. Remember that these same industries once marketed heroin (and cocaine, and morphine) as a miracle drug to cure any number of problems.
The drug industry is not being unjustly villified. The actions of those at the helm of these mega-conglomerates are dispicable, to the point of being inhuman. And you are right, TheGremlin, this is not unique to just the drug industry. They all have crossed that same threshold and the only reason nothing has changed is because the power they wield allows them to rewrite the law of that land to suit their purposes, that being to maintain the status quo, and their position of absolute control.
At this very moment, the drug industry could cut the price of every drug on the market by 75% and still turn a profit that is beyond your wildest imaginations. Why? Because it’s a captive audience. If you’re alive, you are a customer. You were a customer coming into the world, and chances are you’ll be a customer as you’re leaving. As I said, do not apply the mask of humanity to the actions of the depraved. No one who puts their own greed (nevermind greed to this vast extent) above the well being of all of humanity is truly human.
Doesn’t even suprise me, I blame capitalism. Ready so sacrify people’s lives for profit.
@MalteseGuy
It’s nice to see that you dropped the “90%” exaggeration. But still, it’s not a fact that “all variations of the influenza virus come from a known zone in China”. The flu has been around for decades. It just so happens that last few mutations of the virus were born in China. Ever heard of Spanish Flu? By far the most destructive influenza pandemic in history, and it didn’t come from there.
“Antibiotics are used on AIDS patients to prolong their life because they lack an immunity system.” True, some nasty creature ate part of my question: what does antibiotics have to do with directly killing HIV? But as you clarified your point of view it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter also because there is no known way of directly killing HIV.
For some reason I don’t believe in Italian miraculous research. I don’t believe in finding cure for all viruses and in “direct cleanup”. Especially if you don’t give us reliable sources (in fact you don’t give us ANY sources).
I’m not trying to defend pharmaceutical companies. I agree that the drug industry is not being unjustly vilified. I agree that it is makes more money to “treat” a disease then to “cure” it. What I don’t approve are conspiracy theories about miracle “cures” that give false hope to people.
I think you underestimate power of the media, and overestimate the power of pharmaceutical companies. If there will be a cure for cancer or HIV we will be informed, it will be all over the Internet, TV, radio and press. There will be a lot of pressure on the drug industry, and eventually they will have to start producing and selling this cure. Whether they like it or not. And they probably will find the way to make money from it too.
Let me tell you, communism ain’t so hot either.
@ Moonwalker (and those who agree with him)
I am not saying there is a conspiracy, or at least I don’t see it as a conspiracy. But some of it comes quite close for comfort! I’m sure you don’t deny that Pharmacetical Companies more than anyone, sleep in bed with politicians and sponsor a huge amount of their campaigns. It’s a fact!
Regarding my sources…
I know some facts from first hand people not from internet so it’s not like I can give a source for you to see. I can however link you to the website of the Italian Centre I mentioned
http://www.prodigio.it/articoli.asp?idarticolo=259
Although you’ll need an Italian interpreter.
That Centre has noble prize winning researchers working there who are the same ones who mapped the human genome and are now close to create artificial life in vitro… 2 things that like my other claims were considered impossible until a few years ago.
I am not a conspiracy theorist claiming that an AIDS cure was suppressed… I KNOW for fact that over a 100 people across Europe and Africa were DYING OF AIDS and are still alive today and they’re HIV NEGATIVE. I know for fact that 7 researchers know how to cure aids and that a cure is out there but a lawsuit called a halt upon it. And I also know that their system could probably cure ALL viral infections.
Now, while I’m no doctor (although my family is full of them) I do support these researchers financially and get to talk to these people.
I also know a friend from Jugoslavia who was writing a thesis where she was researching the effect of Chemo on healthy and cancer cells to make chemo safer. A number of European Parmaceutical Companies paid her a HUGE sum of money not to publish her findings and she was treathened. She had to give up and has now settled for life.
And the best resource I have is typing this to you! I am a cancer survivor since 2003 and I refused chemo. A renegade doctor who also happens to be one of these suppressed individuals cured me with a protocol of Selenium and vitamin rich diet, which I’m sure was far more plesant than chemo, and this doctor (By the surname of Divella if you went to search around) claimed that his cure has had 100% at the time… that is ALL patients were cured (he claimed they were over 80 cases). I know it saved me!
Why was he suppressed? because his system was not tested to harsh extents like other pharmaceuticals are suppose to be. It is quite a legittimate reason… no conspiracy whasoever. BUT IT WORKS and no one is researching it.
Am I saying that people who have cancer should refuse treatment? Absolutely not! I am though saying that people should know the truth and that the truth is uncomfortable for some powerful people. And for that reason the truth is NOT in the media!
In fact I insist on adding further to my list of claims:
1. The bad effects Ritalin has on Hyperactive children (when hyperactvity is not a disease at all)
2. All the bullcrap about weight loss and diets we are fed… want to see real bullcrap? These are DEFINITE PROOF that some people would rather increase sickness than remove it!
Add those with my other claims that:
1. A cure for aids is out there
2. A cure for cancer is probably so simple that it is something underrated and that some research and/or methods have been suppressed because success came close.
3. A cocktail that cleans up a toxic’s body in one gulp and eliminate withdrawal symptoms has been effective, but a lawsuit is claiming that not enough testing has been done to ensure its safety
This is what I know, and I don’t care what anyone thinks, or what the media or others say because, I HAVE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE MY VERY OWN EYES.
PS: I think I’ll go play that moonwalker game on my genesis emulator, perhaps it should cure boredom!
I know of very specific cases in which pharmaceutical companies have endangered lives to make a profit so it would not surprise me if MalteseGuy is saying is also true. My mother works in the medical field and has had first hand experience with this kind of bullshit. Capitalism does great for the economy, but it does no favors for mankind. I believe we live in an era where most major illnesses WILL be ‘cured’ in the current population short of genetic defects, of course.
@MalteseGuy
You KNOW that some researchers know how to cure AIDS.
You KNOW that their system could probably cure ALL viral infections.
You KNOW a “renegade doctor” that can cure cancer with 100% efficiency.
You KNOW that most new diseases come from China.
You KNOW that there is “a cocktail” that cleans up a body toxics’ in one gulp. AND it eliminates withdrawal symptoms!
You KNOW a whole lot.
I wish scientists knew what you do.
The article from your link has, of course, little to do with cures for AIDS and cancer. By the way ‘in vitro’ method and mapping the human genome were not considered impossible. Nor is finding cure for HIV/AIDS and cancer. I never said it was impossible (I just doubt that this already happened).
Do you think that throwing in more and more random stuff will help you convince anyone? “Hyperactivity is not a disease”. It’s great that you share more of your knowledge with us, but I bet you KNOW that it is classified as a medical disorder. And it has nothing to do with things discussed here.
You say: “the truth is NOT in the media”. Again, I never said it is, but media follow sensation. Cure for cancer and ALL (!) viruses looks pretty much like sensation to me.
“It’s not like I can give a source for you to see”.
“The best resource I have is typing this to you”.
“I HAVE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE MY VERY OWN EYES”.
Above sentences pretty much sum it up. You claim you KNOW something that is unknown to the whole world, and you expect us to believe you because YOU SAY SO. Sorry, but in my case it won’t work.
Cheers.