Apr 18
A quote:
If you start blaming the video games, you may as well demand video game control because it’s the same thing when you start trying to blame guns for this. You have here a sick individual, an evil individual who committed a random act. But if you want to start blaming the video games, this guy was this or that, weeeeell, then you’ve gotta maybe talk about banning them because that’s the same tack that’s taken with guns. You got one guy who used a gun that’s it. You’re falling prey to the same way the Drive-Bys propagandize, and that’s, “Well, we need gun control! We gotta get guns out of the hands of people.”
Rush is the man.
Neither can I, he should stick with whatever pills hes been taking.
I don’t know. You get some people who’ll blame video games for people wanting to go on a rampage, but guns allow them to. You can’t draw a comparison. It’s nothing to do with me, I’m from the UK, where it’s almost impossible to have a gun anyway, and relativly we have an extremely low number of death by shootings.
Although, I could never agree more with making it harder to get a gun… even if you don’t stop people owning them, do check ups or whatever to make sure people who have guns are stable.
He makes sense.
Bogus.. guns are produced to kill people. There’s no other use for them. That’s not true for video games (other than old farts that got a heart attack when staring at Lara’s boobs, I don’t think anybody has ever been killed by a video game).
Wow, that’s refreshing that Rush is not jumping on the bandwagon to blame video games!
The blame should fall squarely on the sick twisted individual that committed these horrible acts. People need to take responsibility for themselves. There are resources out there for people to get help if they need it. To me there is nothing more sick and twisted and heinous and disgusting that some pathetic wacko taking out innocent people just because he thought his own life sucked.
I was surprised as well. Can’t believe he would agree with us that gaming won’t cause violence. I am still waiting for him to blame “the liberal media” for something though, thats his favorite out.
He’s still spewing the regular american right-wing pathetic tirade, that people should be completely free to own weapons. He just happens to use videogames as a comparison.
And I don’t care… If anyone says that guns shouldn’t be controlled, that person is a COMPLETE and UTTER idiot.
This has been proven over and over and over and over and over again. But I guess that until some nutcase who buys a legal weapon, kills a right-wing president, things will remain the same.
Of course the President’s daughter’s weren’t shot and killed in the tragedy, otherwise the law would have changed already.
Maybe this is a point for gun control. Who sells a college kid dual pistols?
And if every kid on campus had a gun of his or her own, would 33 people be dead that day?
If that was so many of them would have been killed long before. Guns are not defensive, that cant be used for “Protection” as americas so love to claim. They’re offensive weapons.
my guess is that if people actually listened to Rush’s show, rather than getting what he said from some online or tv source that takes 30 seconds of his 3 hour show and puts it out of context, that a lot of people would discover that they agree with him on a lot of things. He says a lot of stuff in 3 hours, and you have to actually hear the show to get the humor he uses to illustrate his point; and its that humor that often gets quoted out of context.
he is trying to equate guns to games?
how…profound….
“If that was so many of them would have been killed long before. Guns are not defensive, that cant be used for “Protection” as americas so love to claim. They’re offensive weapons.”
Then how do you propose one defends himself against a gun. Please and Thank you tend not to work. And incase you forgot the guy commited multiple cold blooded murders, so it isn’t too increadibly likely that he’s gonna be like, “well owning a gun is against the law, so I guess I won’t do what I planned.”
On the other end cars are far more dangerous then guns, they are responsible for a lot more deaths, as are the idiots who drive them incorrectly. it would be safer if everybuddy rode bicyles, but that doesn’t me that because some odd percentage of idiots don’t know how to drive means that I shouldn’t be able to.
In the end, the point is moot. You would need to repeal the second ammendment to our constitution, and considering that isn’t too easily done, I’m thinking guns aren’t going anywhere.
For anyone that understand socio-political topics and stands on the conservative side of issues, Rush is quite a brilliant individual.
For those who are ignorant or could care less, or stand on the liberal side of issues, Rush is a egotistical hate-filled warmonger.
I’m proud to say I’m conservative.
Wow, when the hell did Rush Limbaugh get in touch with reality? Maybe there’s hope for Jack freaking Thompson after all.
I agree with Rush on a lot of issues. But comparing guns to video games is kind of dumbing down the issue in this case.
Either way I’m a Libertarian which means I think everyone should be allowed to carry guns and everyone should be allowed to buy ANY drugs legally.
So I wont be happy until everyone is high and strapped
Political debate on MYEXTRALIFE is kind of weird. I want more poop jokes
You liberals crack me up.
Lakes kill more people in the US than guns.
Better get rid of lakes.
SAME LOGIC.
Akula: Then how do you propose one defends himself against a gun.
Only way to protect people from guns, is to make sure people dont get guns.
Where I live guns are controled. In the last year there has been but a few gun related crimes, and one of those had someone hit by the butt of a gun, not the hot end. Becuase of the level of control, most police dont carry firearms on the walk, but some in cars. You’re more likly to be taken down by physical force or by tazer than a round from a gun. If there is a situation with a cimanal with a firearm there is a SWAT style team rdy 24/7.
People who want guns to commit crimes will get them, regardless of legislature.
That goes for illicit drugs, medicine, and identities too.
was there even any evidence this maniac even was a gamer… and im not talking your older brother playing maden every once and a while gamer… like the rest of us, who they say are the evil ones who are mind controlled.
it blows my mind how they are playing the blame game every time this happens. do they really think they can get rid of games rated “T” and up? do they?
@David Shaw- Difference is, lakes are merely deposits of water, while guns are designed for the express purpose of injuring or killing living things. There’s various causes for someone dying in a lake, but gun deaths all go back to someone holding a gun.
@TheBlunderbuss- True, but banning them can make a big difference. Compare the US and the UK- have you seen the difference in gun deaths? It is hugely disproportionate to the populations. Admittedly, the total murder rate is as disproportionate, but there’s still a bigger gap than there should be. Take this school shooting- this is one of several dozen school shootings to have occurred over the past few decades. One of those occurred in gun-free UK, and preceded a major increase on the restrictions in gun laws, while the majority were in gun-toting US and Canada.
@ Freddy: “we have an extremely low number of death by shootings.”
Yes, but you have knifings, bludgeonings, poisonings, people being deliberately run down by cars…
@ EMPIRE: “If anyone says that guns shouldn’t be controlled, that person is a COMPLETE and UTTER idiot.
This has been proven over and over and over and over and over again.”
“Gun control” means hitting your target with the first shot. Anyone who thinks criminals can’t get guns *even where they are illegal* is a complete and utter idiot. Or did you suppose that it’s perfectly legal to buy plastic explosive and make a suicide bomb vest in Iraq, for example?
The way to make sure that guns can’t be abused is to make sure that everyone who is mentally competent and has the desire to won a gun, is trained in how to use it properly.
Oh, and by the way – when I was on my State rifle team, we never shot even one human being – jsut paper targets (which were shaped like circles, not people). Anyone who thinks firearms are designed for the sole purpose of killing people is a a COMPLETE and UTTER idiot.
This has been proven over and over and over and over and over again.
According to the FBI’s figures, every place that has outlawed handguns has seen an immediate *increase* in violent crime. So who do you believe? The FBI, who actually wants to outlaw handguns except for law enforcement people, or the gun control nuts who tell you lies about what happens when you take handguns away from honest citizens?
And for what it’s worth, I don’t own a gun. I don’t need one – I know how to disable a gunman from 25 feet away without shooting. Beyond 20 feet, most people couldn’t hit a chair, much less a moving man.
Rush said something rational? Somebody help me–I think I’m in the wrong dimension.
Ad J: “And if every kid on campus had a gun of his or her own, would 33 people be dead that day?”
No, probably not only 33. It’d be more like 33.000.
ad TheBlunderbuss “That goes for illicit drugs, medicine, and identities too.”
Hmm.. then it’s a little bit surprising that no one has asked for legalizing false identities so far (“Every American should be allowed to have as many identities as he or she wants”). What is even more strange, is that your government actually seems to try to enforce the opposite (every identity, and every little detail linked to it, should be known to the American government)
WOW somebody must be giving him smart pills
Cho was mentally ill: http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=3052278
He would have harmed/killed the VT students and staff regardless if he had a gun or played video games.
@J Says:
And if every kid on campus had a gun of his or her own, would 33 people be dead that day?
No not that day but if every kid had a gun we would be talking hundreds of lives lost over a relatively short period dumbass !!! Now if every kid didn’t have a gun… aah oho take a note from the Europeans here aight
(Although I do agree with that the comparison between guns and VG is stupid, and that he is probably only using this to promote his opinion (being the right to own a gun) i believe we should give the guy a break he´s not that much of here…
Fred
@Cho was mentally ill: http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=3052278
He would have harmed/killed the VT students and staff regardless if he had a gun or played video games.
Id like to see him kill 32 people without a gun…
Traiterdude.
If I kill you by drowning you IN a lake… should we ban lakes?
THINK ABOUT IT
i prefer american gun laws than our own (uk) because during the increase in gun crime happening now, we are completely defenseless against it. A person with a gun can control 10 people without.
And right now the only civs with guns in the uk are country folk (shotguns), armed response units and criminals.
on topic, rush limbalghghghglghg usually promotes self-responsibility and decries putting the responsibility on others or other circumstances and i can’t disagree with that. This is nothing new.
I listen to Rush every single day…yes, I’m a fan. And the reason he was talking about it was because some idiot called & said the violence in games makes people insensitive to real violence, thereby they WILL commit violent crimes. Rush immediately jumped to say that you can’t blame STUFF for the actions of people.
I mean seriously, I own a 9 millimeter handgun & I play video games. But I’ve never put the two together in my head at all. Because I don’t want to kill people!
On topic, Overbyte is 100% right. I may not always agree with Rush, but he doesn’t believe in this kind of crap…he’s all about standing up & taking responsibility.
I just think it’s unfortnuate that this random act of true evil & violence immediately devolved into a political storm before the shooter’s information was even released. Because HE did it. The gun didn’t fire itself. And it’s not the video game’s fault, either, because the video game didn’t pull the trigger, either. It’s harsh, but true. It was just an act of evil, regardless of gun or video game anything.
By the way, Scott, thanks for pointing out the Rush thing. It’s nice to see him actually quoted accurately for once!
Now more poo jokes? Something to lighten the mood perhaps? :^)
Of all the comments, the one that caught my interest was: “I know how to disable a gunman from 25 feet away without shooting. Beyond 20 feet, most people couldn’t hit a chair, much less a moving man.”
Tell us how you disable the gunman… I’d like to know. Because based on your last sentence, you could dodge the gunman’s shot, but how you disable him from that far out — that’s cool.
The fact that you can take someone down at 25 feet when they can’t take you down at 20 — it boggles the mind…
Go Rush!…. whoa… that felt weird…
Why is everyone so shocked that Rush would say something like this?
He’s a hardcore conservative and this sort of view is quite typical for him.
Has anyone here ever actually LISTENED to his show before?? …Or is it that you guys are familiar only with a few of the seemingly outrageous quotes pulled out of context by those who hate him (and there are many).
His show is mostly political HUMOR – very tongue-in-cheek stuff.
I like rush, im big time republican!
Me too.
And a member of my local gun club.
And I make my own ammunition. My dad taught me how about 25 years ago. Lead melting pot, weighing the powder, collecting and shaving brass.
Good times!
Long live the 2nd amendment.
My friend and I are both gamer. We both have long black leather trench coats. My friend owns enough guns to take down a swat team (literally). I have shot every thing from a 50 cal Desert eagle to real ww2 snipe rifles. Neither of us would kill a numan being except for self defense. I can see if you make guns lellgal it may make it harder for people to get guns but the serious killers the ones who kill MORE than 33 people don’t get guns by legal means. I do how ever think it should be harder buy a gun but not legal.
It’s too easy to go to a gun show and get a 9mm glock or two. Personally i could do more damage with a rifle and scope and i can walk into walmart and get a good 22 for around 200 bucks. These are generally used for hunting and with that i could make alot of head shots.
Take guns out of honest peoples hands and you give the bad guys the ablity to walk into your home with out any resistance.
I never listen to Rush but it sounds like he may not be as dumb as the media says.
“I can see if you make guns lellgal it may make it harder for people to get guns”
heh oops Illegal
I could have swore that i read that this killer had purchased his guns legally.
@ reigner
With the current rules on guns it’s possible if he didn’t have any prior bad acts in his record or show any reason why he shouldn’t own a gun. How many gun killings do you think are done by legal gun carring people? How many drive bys and gang shootings are done with legal guns? Do you think drug cartels use legal guns? What about hit men? How many guns are legal in GTA? (sorry had to throw that in there XD) If guns where illegal do you think he wouldn’t have gotten them? Do you think if he was motivated to kill 32 people + himself that something like a law forbidding guns would stop him? Ever heard the expression where there is a will there is a way? What happened during the prohibition? Did acholo stop being consumed? Did that really do any good? We’re taught history in class for a reason and thats not to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
I do think the back ground checks need to be tougher but i don;t think we should ban guns. The law is flawed but i think we knew that.
Oh one last thing. That guy that killed all those people from the bell tower back before I was born. What Video game did he play before killing all those college students?
To explain this to the people here who are not Americans: We have this thing called the Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment made to that document, ratified by majority of the states, gives Americans the constitutionally protected right to bear arms. The wise founders, themselves, being English Enlightenment inspired (Burke, Smith, Locke), ancestors of today’s TRUE conservatives & libertarians ;i.e. Rush- NOT GWB, recognized the rights of the people to protect themselves from oppressive government, hence the provision to create militias and arm themselves. I’m sorry you people don’t have this protection, but, hey, it’s not my country.
To you Americans arguing gun control: shame on you. Read the founding documents, including the Federalist papers, if necessary, and study some history, please. You can’t just create laws as you like, just because it sounds or feels food at the moment, via some half thought-out idea. I understand that’s what liberals do (as well as communists), and why they are irredeemably flawed in their ideology. Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences. They are present in every program you install due to your “good intentions”, and they are almost always worse than the original problem. It would serve you well to always keep this in mind; it may help you think your ideas through to their logical conclusions, which would prevent the majority of your hair-brained ideas from even getting out of the gate.
And if every kid on campus had a gun of his or her own, would 33 people be dead that day?
I wasn’t going to jump into this particular “debate.” I really wasn’t, but this post, and some pompous twit waving around the “Law of Unintended Consequences” changed my mind.
To paraphrase from a police officer on another board I frequent, a hypothetical:
Okay, so everybody in the building who feels like it is packing heat. Shots are fired. A student, who we’ll call John Wayne Jr. hears gunfire, and, doing his civic duty, draws and heads towards where he heard the ruckus. He turns a corner, sees the gunman and shouts for him to drop his weapon. The gunman turns his weapon towards the newcomer, but JWJ is faster on the draw and puts two shots center mass, dropping the perp dead.
Only it wasn’t the perp. It was Faux Jack Bauer, also on his way to save the day. JWJ doesn’t know that, and hears more shots. Maybe it’s the real gunman. Maybe Self-Styled Master Chief just gunned down Pseudo Martin Riggs. Nobody knows for sure. You’ve got a building full of teenagers and early twenty-somethings, untrained, undisciplined, high on adrenalin (and possibly other substances, being a college campus) and waving guns.
And the Police haven’t even waded into this Doom Deathmatch yet. There not being security cameras in the building, they don’t know who shot first, but have a mob of people pointing guns at every noise and shadow. Yeah, if everybody had been armed, they would have been lucky if the body count had been as low as 33.
When it’s been proven that even ‘trained professionals’ (ie : cops and soldiers) make (deadly) mistakes.
Why should we even want to trust ordinary untrained people to have guns at all ?
Never even mind that if you know your target is going to be armed … then you sure as hell are going to shoot first. If however you can be fairly certain that your victim is going to be unarmed then all you need is a knife.
Oh … and don’t even get me started on how a license to drive a vehicle should be far more difficult to get. IMHO it should be like a pilots’ license. (ie : minimum time spent driving, an exam/check every year, etc.). Those cars kill far too many people and cause far too much damage to the environment for them to be used unrestricted.
Unless you can bludgeon 33 people to death with a video game CD, there is no comparison to be made….
This is a difficult question and there is no easy answer. What happened a few days ago is a tragedy. And it isn’t the guns fault, or video games fault – it is the insane person that committed these shootings fault. Period. The best we can do is enforce the rules and regulations with regards to gun purchasing. I do think it should be tougher to purchase a gun and I agree there should be more training required to own one. It shouldn’t be easy to own a firearm, but it also a civil right to own one in the United States.
People feel the need to react when things like this happen. But think about this – How many people own guns this very minute and are not out shooting up the town? Quite a few I think. I never agree to punish the group for the actions of a single person.
This was a gun-free zone. You can’t make guns any more illegal than they already were in this circumstance.
Hard to say if he was being sarcastic or not. Sadly, regardless of if it was the intended meaning, most air-headed parents and bunch of Politicians eager to latch onto yet another weapon of mass distraction (thanks Mr. Williams, I like that phrase) this “hot topic” issue will probably be wasting tax payer dollars for the next umpteen bajillion congressional sessions.
Meanwhile, we still have schools with some of the lowest quality education world-wide…and nobody who will address it.
I swear I see a multi-national mega-conglomerate corperation duck-taped to the back of every politician in this country. When did it take the turn to being a government of the soulless greedy bastards, for the soulless greedy bastards, by the soulless greedy bastards?
I dare you all to listen to rush for a week straight, it is a lot of common sense speech. you cannot take what the media says about him because it is all taken out of context.