Give or take 3000 years

November 29, 2011
Give or take 3000 years

About this comic

This is a dumb storm trooper. But beyond that, I think it’s kind of crazy that technology and essential societal norms saw pretty much no change in 3000 years. Why not…it is Star Wars after all.

39 Responses to Give or take 3000 years

  1. VailGeek says:

    Haha! Love it! But what would you name a princess trooper? =D

  2. David says:

    Stormtroopers are forever

  3. Dahg says:

    look at swords we were using those things for about 4000 years with very little visual changes

  4. Bailrut says:

    Thing is that there was alot of disparity between the movies and the ToR setting. It’s evident in the comics for one. Bioware is just playing it smart and going with brand recognition of what most people think of when they think Star Wars and transplanting it back in time. Kinda disappointed but I am still excited for SWTOR!

  5. zark169 says:

    @Dahg: there’s a few problems there.
    1) your main statement is false because there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of different sword styles from throughout history. Their design was highly dependent upon the materials they were made from, the available construction methods, and the common armaments of combatants that affected how the user could fight. I shouldn’t have to say it, but weapons design was/is highly dependent on the advancement of mining, smithing, warfare, etc.
    2) armor has changed just as much throughout history, if not more. If nothing else, armor styling would change in 3000 years.
    3) almost nothing we wear or use is the same as the ancient Egytians or ancient Chinese of 1000bc.

    • Chuck says:

      The problem with your argument is that Star Wars technology has advanced very little in the 3000 years. Basic technology was improved (Droids became better, ships were given more powerful computers, etc.) but the fundamentals of technology changed very little.

      Most innovations were in the form of tactics that emphasized different uses of technology, rather than the technology itself. The Rebellion Era focused on big ship battles, quantity over quality and large occupying armies. The Clone Wars emphasized mobility, star fighters and a small number of highly trained soldiers. The Army of Light and the Brotherhood of Darkness focused far more on very large armies of grunts and massive Jedi v Sith Battles. KotOR emphasized a more balanced approach to war.

      These changes were not brought about by technology, since it has remained relatively constant, but the preferences of those in command.

  6. Mikkel says:

    Reasons i probably won’t be playing SWTOR:

    I can’t be Darth Vader.

  7. spazdoski says:

    while i know troopers didnt come around for quite some time after this game is set… I love the game play. the characters are great and the interaction and choose your path options make the game fun. its easy for me to suspend my knowledge about the troopers and enjoy the game. Personally I think they set it so far in the past to avoid having conflicts with the movies

  8. Mikkel says:

    Also I Wanna be Darth Vader.

  9. Kannan says:

    I think it’s more a reflection of how the Galactic Republic was suffocating under the weight of its own size and attendant bureaucracy , but i could think that because I just got done rereading Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy for the umpteenth time. I’d also like to add that the concept of the planet Coruscant is blatant theft on the part of Lucas. Anyone who thinks otherwise, I would urge you to search Trantor on Wikipedia.

  10. Chuck says:

    White armor-ed soldiers is a very common theme throughout Star Wars. Only KotOR didn’t have the white armor.

    • Vishal says:

      They reminded me more of BBC bdnirang ads.The lovely thing about this is that it virtually guarantees vast disruption and scary TERRA ALERTS!!!11111OMG every time a twitchy arsewit spots an empty Burger King box under a bench. Passing through Paddington Station the other night, I saw a cardboard box sitting on its own on the main concourse, with an eight-foot tape cordon around it

  11. Read some of the Asimov novels. Foundation to be more specific. Centralized empires with very advanced technology require a lot of infrastructure to maintain and advance. People need technology to understand technology at this point. If something undermines the infrastructure, such as war, much knowledge can be lost or forgotten. Well, at least in sci-fi :)

  12. Mark says:

    Lets not forget other sci-fi eras like Warhammer 40k where technology is going the other way, the humans can’t advance and any new technology found is already 4,000+ years old.

    Which in TOR is one of the first thing you find, that the driods in a certain questing area (jedi starting point) are 20,000 years old but more advanced than the current droids (According to a jedi master quest giver).

  13. Blair says:

    Yeah.. Well we have a very interesting perspective… we are in a state of technological growth. Who is to say that once our civilization reaches a point we will plateau, plus the constant war state that the republic seems to find itself in doesn’t seem to help much.

  14. JaFO says:

    Let’s not forget that in most books and series the technology rarely evolves to the point of altering the very fabric of society. Any paradigm shift is instantly adopted, no questions asked.

    Either the authors don’t dare to think of such things or the fans become hostile and start yelling that the new setting sucks (Traveller:New Era vs ‘classic’ Traveller)
    Or it simply is ignored/retconned (like that episode that showed that warp-travel could become impossible in Star Trek: Next Generation).

    I think it is a missed opportunity for this Star Wars MMO to be honest.
    Then again … I’m sure that most fans wouldn’t recognise Star Wars if they had done so.

    • chuck says:

      The Warp Speed limit was a dumb idea and the authors have even said so.

      • JaFO says:

        The idea may have been dumb, but I think it would have been interesting if a similar concept would have been explored more thoroughly.
        It would have been more intersting than yet another Romulan plot …

      • chuck says:

        Putting a speed limit on the show only serves to weaken tense moments:

        “We need to get to Planet X ASAP, Warp 9.2 Mr. Data!”

        “But sir, the speed limit. We can only go Warp 5.”

        “Oh right. Well, warp 5.”

        How lame is that? The show would have been better if the problems were localized in that region of space because the basic premise of the episode was sound. But, since it wasn’t, the allegory between Warp Speed Limit and Global Warming (and thus raising awareness for the climate change) was made moot since people in the 24th century do exactly what we do – ignore it!

    • Marol says:

      Esther January 20, 2012 at 9:24 AMI think I would be on the good side because the good side alwyas wins! Which side would you be on? I have not seen Star wars yet but I think it’s really cool right?

  15. smcn says:

    Storm Trooper armor set bonus: Reduces your chance to hit with all weapons and abilities by 99%.

  16. Coyote says:

    Even when the idea that technology didn’t advance (at all) in 3000 years is pretty ridiculous, I find the notion that fashion didn’t change at all in that period of time. Even from a functional perspective, jedis, siths, soldiers and (sigh..) “bounty hunters” all dress the same.

    • chuck says:

      The Jedi and Sith wear robes, kinda hard to make it look different.

      The Stormtrooper look of the soldiers is in fact quite new, KotOR’s soldiers looked completely different, as do the soldiers who fight in the Brotherhood of Darkness/Army of Light war. Having said that, I wish they kept the designs they had in the KOTOR games, the outfits looked great.

      The Bounty Hunter armor is based off a standardized Mandalorian base. Its all variation on theme.

      • JaFO says:

        Kind of hard ?
        These are some real world examples :
        http://www.filibustercartoons.com/judges.htm
        And that’s a relatively short period in history for a profession that’s pretty static when it comes to changing the type and style of robe.

        It would be really weird if a 3000+ history didn’t change the style that much, especially when given the amount of races available.

      • chuck says:

        There are still large shifts in style of robes worn by Jedi. Some wear the traditional brown hoody but many others do not wear robes or modify them so they look differently.

        Additionally, the Jedi are religion-esque and last time I checked the garments worn by the priests, bishops and cardinals has not been radically altered in hundreds of years.

        Furthermore, we are given snap shots of the Star Wars Universe – 300 years here, a decade there, a few hundred more over there… For all we know, we keep seeing the Star Wars universe when old trends and styles re-emerge! Look at how regularly ripped jeans and those dumb sunglasses people wear now-a-days, both were popular in the 90′s! If we concede that Star Wars operates like the real world, then the re-emergence of trends must also be accounted for.

  17. Tillzar says:

    I think likening the re-emergence of 90′s sunglasses 20 years later to the fact that the Star Wars Universe is pretty stagnant over 3000 years is a bit of a stretch!

    Also, claiming that garments worn by priests have changed little is again a stretch when the Catholic Church didn’t exist 3,000 years ago at all!

    I think Scott has hit the nail on the head – if we went back 3,000 years we wouldn’t be able to comprehend what the world was like and would probably survive a few days in the ‘alien’ world.

    It is a little lazy that so little changes in the Star Wars universe.

    • Chuck says:

      OUR society constantly advances, the Star Wars universe does not, at least not at the pace that our’s does. Remember, they live in a post-scarcity society that has hundreds of species interacting, mingling and united under a single banner for 25,000 thousands of years. We have no idea how that would affect culture as we know it since we, as a species, have only had civilization for 14,000 years (during most of which we were nothing except subsistence farmers).

  18. spazdoski says:

    so you would rather run around with a rock and a stick in the star wars universe?

  19. Warren says:

    I don’t think it is a stretch to assume that a technological society has progressed to the point where progress isn’t really possible anymore. That would stagnant any society, I think. Plus we keep looking at it from the vantage point of what we’ve know…this far away galaxy that existed in a time long past could be entirely different. The trends could be forced from the top down – look at Japan for example. They knew modern technology like guns in the 1600s, yet the people in charge made a choice to limit modern tech. Therefore you had a medieval society that existed well in to the 1800s. The Star Wars universe could be like that… Than add the wars that happen all the time, where billions of people get killed and you will find a totally different society than we have now. Don’t forget there are sentient beings that live hundreds of years as well…that could keep styles around long after they might be gone in our own culture.

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